but at a lower level. that's not pro life. >> let me talk about what i'm talking about. when billion clinton took office, there were 1.4 million abortions, now there's 700,000. because of adoption procedures, counselling, birth control. notification. the republican party needs to make abortion illegal to making it rare. >> when you say turning it from legal to rare, what you're moving from is pro life to pro choice in the debate. you can't be. you're either or, you either believe it should be legal or you don't. >> you move your position. >> i believe it's a practical matter with the republican party. if they focus on overturning roe, they're whistling in the wind, they know that. >> as a party's position, and they have to be clear about this, so the women you're talking about, if you're disenfranchised by the party, know exactly what they stand for. what you're saying is, they need to move from pro life to pro choice, albeit, trying to reduce the numbers? >> yes. >> is that right? >> explain to me why i'm wrong. >> i don't hear my own words coming out of my mouth. >> explain to me why i'm wrong.